Thursday 8 January 2009

Does Having Sex Mean You Should Marry That Person?

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First off, let me apologize for the length of this post, it's the result of a few conversations today & is probably on the back of yesterdays post on praying for relationships in the UK.


"If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife."
Exodus 22:16

"If anyone thinks that he is not behaving properly toward his betrothed, if his passions are strong, and it has to be, let him do as he wishes: let them marry—it is no sin."
But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
1 Corinthians 7:9


Applying these Today?
Imagine that this was the teachings of our churches & counsel given by Pastors to dating Christian couples who are struggling to keep their hands off each other:

[Couple] "Pastor, we're really struggling, we know its wrong & we want to obey God but sometimes we just feel overwhelmed, what do we do, have you an answer?"

[Pastor]
"Yes, tomorrow morning when the council office opens ring them & see when the earliest possible date is that they can fit you in to be married. We'll begin marital classes now, and help disciple you well into your marriage to help strengthen your commitment to the marriage & to making it a God glorifying, lasting marriage...

...And, oh yeh, with the principal of Exodus 22:16, the girls dad isn't going to pay for the wedding, rather the guy is."


Can you imagine how many people would actually take this advice? Or how many phone calls the pastor/counsellor would get from disgruntled family members?

What Am I Saying?
Am I saying that if a couple have sex they should marry? Yes & No!
I do believe that these are principles for God's people; Christian couples, who are struggling with their natural desires to become one in sexual intimacy. Notice I put the word 'struggling' in bold, it is the operative word in my thoughts here.

My advice here is for a couple who both know that God's will for them is that they be sexually pure (1 Thessalonians 4:3), but who have strong desires for each other, and find it a real struggle. They are in battle with the sin of sexual immorality & temptation, & even though they may fall to it at time(s) it is in their mind an act of disobedience against their Lord.

When NOT to Marry
Scripture also tells us when someone ISN'T ready for marriage in Song of Solomon 8:9 where a girls brothers (her dad's not around) are asking how they'll answer when a guy comes to ask for their sisters hand in marriage.
Their answer is basically that if she is righteous & can defend against the sexual advances of men they'll say yes. But if she is an easy lay they'll lock her in her room & throw away the key, (You can read a lengthier post on this here).

So if someone is sexually promiscuous & has no struggle against, or conscience over their disobedience against God on this matter & they freely have casual sex when or if they like, then that person is nowhere near ready nor mature enough to enter into marriage & should not be helped nor advised toward it.
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18 comments:

Anonymous said...

And back of all that Gary is a greater and more widespread problem....people should not be pairing up into couples until they are ready to marry (i.e. mature enough, in the man's case able to support a wife etc.)...in other words no one should be in a relationship with anyone unless they are ready to marry someone.

That is the really important advice pastors should be giving.

Boaly said...

Definately!
I should have mentioned that, thanks for commenting on that.

I wrote about that as an answer a question on playing the field a while ago that may also be helpful to young men reading this - http://garyboalnireland.blogspot.com/2008/05/sex-dating-playing-field.html

But, what you say Paul is definately at core of the advice pastors & counsellors should give & teach even well before the hearers are dating so they are well prepared

Anonymous said...

I'm reminded of the Meatlof song where he's with a girl (in the back of a car I believe) and they are 'rounding the bases'. They get to the pivotal moment and she says "Stop right there... before we go any further, do you love me and will you love me forever?.... Will you take me away and will you make me your wife?" (paraphrased slightly).

Eventually he gives in and swears that he'll love her until the end of time, which is all she needs to hear and they consummate their love. This causes his last line to be:

"So now I'm praying for the end of time... to hurry up and arrive, cause if I have to spend another minute with you etc etc etc".

I wonder how much different people's attitudes would be if sex meant marriage... and there was no chance of divorce for any reason?

We have made marriage so cheap what with pre-nuptual agreements, quickie divorces and the removal of the stigma of being a 'single' mother.

"We'll begin marital classes now, and help disciple you well into your marriage to help strengthen your commitment to the marriage & to making it a God glorifying, lasting marriage...
"

Is an awesome idea and something I would sign up to straight away!

Boaly said...

That is so true Peter, if sex meant marriage there would be a bigger fear!

Another aspect of Exodus 22 that strikes fear is vs17, "If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride-price for virgins."

So if the dad said no way the guy had to pay up what was the equivelant to several years wages.

Yet another cause for caution when dating.

Yeh, the marital classes I think would be much needed, not only to bring the couple to understanding of marriage, but to bring their sin to Christ and deal with the guilt etc. Unfortunately I haven't seen this done, but I believe it would be a nessessary part of taking this principal!

Anonymous said...

Gary et al,

Don't you think that a MAJOR problem in Western culture is that couples "go out" for way too long and are engaged for way too long, all in the name of either "getting to know one another" or saving up for the house etc. (Now of course when you start dating at 12 then this is always going to be a problem!).

Now neither of these things are of no importance (obviously) but in many ways it is asking for trouble.

I know I did it all wrong, because no one counselled me!

At the risk of rash generalisations, if you don't know somebody well enough after say 18 months to know whether you could marry them or not (and assuming you are of age and maturity and material wherewithal to be married), then you should probably call it a day!

Anonymous said...

reformedandbaptist,

My wife and I met (online) and got married a little over 4 months later, and I felt that was too long!

The problem with dating is a lot of the time people do it for companionship not to search for a spouse.

If both parties are mature enough to be thinking about marriage it really doesn't take too long to know whether or not it's right. If they are not mature enough..... they probably shouldn't be dating anyway!

I say bring back arranged marriages!

Boaly said...

Definately, I like how MArtin Luther done it, engaged & married on the same day!

Perhaps a bit extreme!

There is huge problems with long dating periods & long engagements.

Though I'd probably advise toward a two year period including both these. Often I think another problem is that couples rush into marriage or co-habitation because they are 'in love'. The butterflies fill their stomach and the emotions are running so high that nothing can put them off, and problems are easily overlooked & ignored.

However after a general period this initial excitment & newness wears off (butterflies stop fliting in the stomach & the heart stops missing a beat every time you see them)

& its then that I think a choice comes to either; do the hard work, or walk away.

Money can be a problem & an excuse but there's absolutely no reason why people cant downgrade their expectations to get married sooner, eg rent a house or buy a mobile as well as getting a cheaper dress & using friends cars, the church hall for reception & go to donegal rather than bengal for honeymoon.

(Sounds extreme, but hey it would be better than continuing in sexual sin, Jesus did say to cut the hand that offends off).

Saying all this, I would hate to be dating again, Barbara & I were about 3 years waiting on our marriage, an agreement we made with her parents & honoured because she was so young (we dated about a year, then were engaged for 2)
I think anyone who's ever dated will say that they struggled with temptation & that sin raised its head in most dating relationships to one degree or another with almost all couples.

I know of one praiseworthy couple who did not kiss for an extended period of time (atleast a couple of years) because of the fear that temptation may overtake them!
I say this as an example for others - IT CAN BE DONE!!!


One thing i'd like to see go a whole lot deeper is church classes on marriage etc, there doesn't seem to be alot of material out there. To teach on even daily devotions together, recommending how & what to do etc...

Boaly said...

The Puritans married because they felt that they could love the person, not because they were overtaken by emotions.

There's such a huge emphasis today on the passion, the emotion, the buzz, all the false teachings that pour from Holywood films that its just one big passionate, whirlwind romance, and when its not people walk away in a search for the functional saviour that is set forth in these films.

Boaly said...

4 Months Peter - WOW way to go!!!

No hanging around there!

I guess an aspect is that if you are walking in the revealed will of God (His Word) then its not too hard to walk in the unrevealed will and even what we often think is a hard choice (whether to marry that person or not) isn't really that hard.

Anonymous said...

boaly,

I've been married 11 years, 4 months and 16 days and I still get butterflies in my tummy and my heart misses a beat when my wife walks into the room.

I realise that I am not the norm though!

(maybe I need antacid and a pacemaker)

Boaly said...

I'll join you in being in the minority Peter, I was saying that for the benifit of 99% of couples haha!

No, You probably know what I meant by that, the initial thrill dulls down a bit, probably due to being used to the person, difficulties etc that come. And we begin to see flaws that we didn't notice before.


Another problem I think is that opposites attract, at first the other person is so new to us, so different, and its exciting, but after a while those opposite traits that 1st attracted us can begin to annoy us.

I'm so thankful that I married a woman who is similar to me in many ways but yet thrills me! A beautiful bride who has captivated my attention, my heart, my mind.

A Woman who's kisses are far more intoxicating & addictive than wine, who's beauty is brighter than the sun & can shine through any rainclouds to warm & brighten my day!

(Its my blog so I can say these things haha...)

Anonymous said...

Boaly wrote,

"The Puritans married because they felt that they could love the person, not because they were overtaken by emotions."

Very true....they looked for character first and then said "I could love her". I think Stuart Olyott said that at last year's Spirit of the Puritan's conference.

Love is an active discipline, not a passive feeling.

I have friends who met in our house, lived 8000 miles apart and married after a year.

Peter P,

I don't know about arranged marriages :-) , but I believe the parents should be active, and are responsible, especially in the case of daughters.

kitchy said...

I know I'm missing the point here (great post and really good points coming out in the discussion) I can testify that there's nowhere better than Donegal for a honeymoon - my three nights in a renovated barn in Portnablagh were the best three of my life!

Although my wife keeps telling me i still owe her a trip to somewhere exotic...!

Boaly said...

Hey, kitchy, glad you added weight to my donegal idea - anyway, lets be honest; its the exotic garden described in Song of Solomon 4:1-5:1 that us guys are interested in not the country nor place!

heartafire said...

This is a great post, and I couldn't agree more with some of the commenters---especially, quicker marriages, and being able to know fairly quickly who would or would not be suitable.

In my particular denomination there is so much discussion and disagreement about the issue of homosexuality these days (believe it or not), that the consideration of premarital sex is not even on the table. Sincerely.

I will be quick to say, that this is not the case with my particular church, which truly preaches and teaches from the Bible. I reference the homosexual issue to point out that the creeping nature of sin is such that when these barriers break down (i.e. churches not discipling couples in Biblical standards of dating and marriage) then any amount of sin becomes tolerable and even becomes "not sin," as the Episcopal church is teaching today about homosexuality.

Having said that, and hopefully as encouragement to others who may be single and waiting, the gifts brought by abstinence until marriage cannot begin to be understood until you are actually married. It is one of those counterintuitive things that I think God uses to teach us and reveal over time how His ways are always so much higher than our own.

For some, it may be one of the absolutely hardest and seemingly impossible tasks we are ever asked to do, especially given the ages we are when we consider marriage , but as so often happens in Christ, the gifts are commensurate.

I love the scriptural references in your post (always the hallmark of great teaching) and am bookmarking your blog.

Boaly said...

Thanks HeartaFire!

Yeh, I couldn't agree with your points more, once we give way to a measure of sin or neglect teaching in one area, that gap almost always grows as the homosexual issue of recent years in the church.

I'm encouraged to hear your church has remained faithful to the Word, as so many seem to be compromising on this.

And waiting for marriage is definately far better, premarital sex robs us of far greater things than biological virginity, but also closeness with Christ & a depth with a future spouse that can never be regained.

On a side note on your comment on "I love the scriptural references in your post (always the hallmark of great teaching)" I thank you for the encouragement and would direct to the words of John Bunyan:

If you find me short in things, impute that to my love of brevity. If you find me besides the truth in anything, impute that to my infirmity.
But if you find anything here that serves to your furtherance and joy of the faith, impute that to the mercy of God bestowed on you and me.

Yours to serve you with what little I have.”

Anonymous said...

I liked many of your thoughts here. Reminded me of a post I wrote right before getting married.

http://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/2008/01/10/know-how-to-take-a-wife/

I believe our sex drive is a God-given impulse to move us toward marriage. For many that first means becoming the type of person who is equipped and mature enough to be a godly spouse. For others, that means courting someone and pursuing marriage right away.

Boaly said...

Totally agree Luke, sex drive is definately a motivating factor to grow up & move from adolesance to manhood, becoming a man fit for marriage.